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Title: This is it.
Post by: deathz0r on December 23, 2005, 10:58:54 pm
I once had a highly optimistic view regarding ZDaemon: It was a community that (almost entirely) respected each other without problems. I got along with people from every aspect of the community, whether they were Newschool, Oldschool, DM mappers, CTF mappers etc. A dirty whore by the name of "Whatever" arrived, and that bitch is the reason for the downfall of the ZD community.

Alternatively, I can blame the 1.07 release with the in-built IRC feature in ZLauncher. That single feature contributed heavily towards the fuckup that the ZDaemon community has turned in to.

And on that note, I'm leaving that shithole until I see it back to the state that it once was... back in the glory days of 1.04 and 1.05, or even the anarchist state that was known as 0.99. Hell, that was tolerable compared to the shithouse that was the 1.07 era.

I'll make this post as concise as possible; I've been pissed off towards the ZDaemon community ever since my forum moderator status was removed because I had unlocked a topic. That's right, I unlocked a topic and I lost my super moderator status entirely. While I was sleeping last night, I was permbanned entirely from ZDaemon by Kilgore for being AFK in #aza (http://irc://irc.oftc.net/), and that ban includes the master server, the forums, and ZDIRC. For those that don't know what #aza is, it's an anti-ZDaemon channel spearheaded by CodeImp, whose aimbot fix caused him to get fucked over by almost all of the ZDaemon staff (excluding myself) because he had sent it out to two people to test, one of which decided to spread it around to his fellow retards. The purpose of the channel was a mere joke between myself, Aurelian, Shockwav3 and CodeImp where we'd screw around and make stupid things that nobody would probably see. A few people would join and they'd have a good laugh as well. It suddenly grew in size after the notorious master ban exploit, at which a site was created stating CodeImp's hatred towards ZDaemon and linking to #aza; Now I'm posting mine.

I'd like to give a big fuck you to the following people: Whatever, Samiam, Exl, Bonzo, and every single moron that supported those four assholes. I have to admit that I was blindly fooled by Samiam and Exl at first, but I realised a week ago how much of a bitch Samiam is and how much of a backstabber Exl is. They're made for each other in more ways than one.

I ask the rest of you to do what's right: If you don't like ZDaemon, leave it already. Don't make up crappy excuses, just fucking boycott it. They're pathetic at looking at matters extrinsically. They don't even want  to listen to your pleads of innocence unless you give them what they want, which is something I refuse to give.

Things are destined to die eventually, so don't delay ZDaemon's death.

EDIT: I decided that this isn't informative enough. If you can't figure out where to go after boycotting ZDaemon, I'll give you some nice places to go.

I recommend that you check out Skulltag (http://www.skulltag.com). It's the first online port I got involved with (way back in January 2001), and it was a bad mistake to try to remain neutral in the "holy crusade war" between Skulltag and ZDaemon. Of course, I also recommend a bit of CSDoom (http://csdoom.sourceforge.net), especially if you can find 0.62. That version still has the best netcode that I've ever seen, period. Also, you could also wait for a while and expect something else to pop up that I've been following...

Also, to show how much of a wuss Raider is, I'll post this lovely quote from a PM:

<Raider> I was perfectly willing and interested in patching things up with you.
<deathz0r> was?
<deathz0r> you're not willing anymore?
<Raider> I can't, and won't reverse what the other top admins here do.
<deathz0r> pfft
<Raider> well it's too late now.
<deathz0r> you're project leader
<deathz0r> you have absolute power
<Raider> that doesn't mean anything and you know it.
<Raider> nah. that's not true.
<deathz0r> that doesn't mean anything because you don't want it to mean anything

And his response to this unedited post:

<Raider> are you kidding me? you're blaming whatever for this?
<deathz0r> she's the spark
<Raider> how the hell do you figure that?
<Raider> ya know what. don't even tell me
<Raider> I'm not even going to waste my time with an idiot like you.

Congratulations on having the ability to confront matters.
Title: This is it.
Post by: AceOfSpades on December 23, 2005, 11:18:43 pm
emo 8)
Title: This is it.
Post by: Manc on December 23, 2005, 11:30:31 pm
Big things are coming soon...
Title: This is it.
Post by: AlexMax on December 23, 2005, 11:45:41 pm
Quote from: AceOfSpades
emo 8)


Quit taking words out of my mouth faggot.

Quote from: Manc
Big things are coming soon...


Indeed.

EDIT: OK, I think I need to be a little bit more descriptive.  This is a copy of something I posted on the ZDaemon forums.

"In short, the ZDaemon's philosophy is thus: If you don't like it, don't use it. ... People, if you are unhappy with the state of the ZDaemon community, software, or leadership, then just leave. The ZDaemon community is strong...it may not be the ZDaemon community you knew a few years ago, but trying to 'save' the community from themselves is a futile endeavor. You have options. Please, save yourself and the current administration the stress and find another community."

Seriously.  It really sucks that shit happened to deathz0r and Ralphis, and _Lyfe_ and myself are not on very good speaking terms as it is, but Raider and I are still on speaking terms as is myself and Kilgore.  There are so many different ways of looking at the situation, and everyone has a different story, that I'm just not going to try and get in the middle of it.

1. Nobody is forcing you to use ZDaemon.  You have options.
2. ZDaemon is not going to die anytime soon.  It has a very strong userbase.  It might comprise of a lot of people who are less than you find desireable, but the community is there, and it's very tightly knit, and is unlikely to simply die.
3. Unidoom is not going to die anytime soon.  See #2.  If there is some sort of "anti-UD" setiment, it's not doing that much good.  We're still in active contact with each other, and we still play games together regularly.  Doom, Day of Defeat, The Specialists, Worms Armageddon, XCOM: UFO Defense, Freeciv, we love playing games with each other.

My opinion on ZDaemon?

Yes, ZDaemon still feels like a hack of Zdoom 1.23 with a superb launcher, some ingame bugs and a patchy ingame interface, but I admit that I was impressed with 1.08, it just seemed a lot smoother to me and the unlagged actually worked for me.  There aren't a lot of people whom I feel like playing it with, though, which is why I rarely, if ever, play it.
Title: This is it.
Post by: RottKing on December 23, 2005, 11:48:21 pm
Storm's a brewin'.
Title: This is it.
Post by: deathz0r on December 23, 2005, 11:49:21 pm
Quote from: AceOfSpades
emo 8)
Don't knock e-drama damnit!
Title: This is it.
Post by: Bloodshedder on December 23, 2005, 11:58:48 pm
Yay for drama!
Title: This is it.
Post by: chr1z on December 24, 2005, 04:37:02 am
Join the club. I've been banned for a while now. You can easily get around it though (the master server that is)
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Ralphis on December 24, 2005, 06:17:39 am
Quote from: deathz0r
I once had a highly optimistic view regarding ZDaemon: It was a community that (almost entirely) respected each other without problems. I got along with people from every aspect of the community, whether they were Newschool, Oldschool, DM mappers, CTF mappers etc. A dirty whore by the name of "Whatever" arrived, and that bitch is the reason for the downfall of the ZD community.


Damn, it's a good thing noone else noticed this years ago. Oh wait.

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Alternatively, I can blame the 1.07 release with the in-built IRC feature in ZLauncher. That single feature contributed heavily towards the fuckup that the ZDaemon community has turned in to.


It was before this. I think most of us can blame it on Raider fucking losing it around 1.05. Oh well, so much potential.

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And on that note, I'm leaving that shithole until I see it back to the state that it once was... back in the glory days of 1.04 and 1.05, or even the anarchist state that was known as 0.99. Hell, that was tolerable compared to the shithouse that was the 1.07 era.


Not likely. We'll have to look to something NEW eh?

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I'll make this post as concise as possible; I've been pissed off towards the ZDaemon community ever since my forum moderator status was removed because I had unlocked a topic. That's right, I unlocked a topic and I lost my super moderator status entirely. While I was sleeping last night, I was permbanned entirely from ZDaemon by Kilgore for being AFK in #aza (http://irc://irc.oftc.net/) while I was asleep, and that ban includes the master server, the forums, and ZDIRC.


ARE YOU RIDICULOUS? DON'T EVER MENTION RAIDER OR HIS FRIENDS IN A JESTFUL WAY. Oh well, you know that we hate ya, so we'll see ya lata.

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I'd like to give a big fuck you to the following people: Whatever, Samiam, Exl, Bonzo, and every single moron that supported those four assholes. I have to admit that I was blindly fooled by Samiam and Exl at first, but I realised a week ago how much of a bitch Samiam is and how much of a backstabber Exl is. They're made for each other in more ways than one.


Such a list. Mine is much shorter.

Raider - Good job fucking up something that everyone but yourself had a hand in building. You do a great job ordering pieces of history be removed from the project and program itself just so you can basically brand your name all over it.

I see exactly what you've done and you're nothing but a coward who has lied and decieved his community. People might've considered me a "tyrant" when I was in power there, but the community was clean and at least I was honest about whom I did or didn't like and I was open about punishing them. You most likely will not read this, but it had to be stated just for the record. You ruined a community that was not yours to ruin. Good job!

Whatever - See: Ralphis - Whatever.mp3

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I ask the rest of you to do what's right: If you don't like ZDaemon, leave it already. Don't make up crappy excuses, just fucking boycott it. They're pathetic at looking at matters extrinsically. They don't even want to listen to your pleads of innocence unless you give them what they want, which is something I refuse to give.


Oh damn, you're too late deathz0r. If people haven't taken notice, people HAVE been leaving ZDaemon and have been fed up with it. One day the tide will change and a new community will rise that embodies the spirit of all of the past successful doom multiplayer communities.

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Things are destined to die eventually, so don't delay ZDaemon's death.


It will happen, but let's just enjoy watching it.

As far as Skulltag, while I don't agree with or even like Carnevil on a personal level he holds one thing above Raider within me for what it's worth. Respect. He doesn't pussy foot around or bullshit, if he's going to be an asshole he'll do it to your face and make his intentions clear whether or not you like it. I can't say the same for Raider.

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2. ZDaemon is not going to die anytime soon.  It has a very strong userbase.  It might comprise of a lot of people who are less than you find desireable, but the community is there, and it's very tightly knit, and is unlikely to simply die.
3. Unidoom is not going to die anytime soon.  See #2.  If there is some sort of "anti-UD" setiment, it's not doing that much good.  We're still in active contact with each other, and we still play games together regularly.  Doom, Day of Defeat, The Specialists, Worms Armageddon, XCOM: UFO Defense, Freeciv, we love playing games with each other.


Zdaemon's lifespan has varied but Unidoom will always remain a constant.

UD ON TOP

RALPHIS OUT MOTHA FUCKAS
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: deathz0r on December 24, 2005, 06:28:22 am
Quote from: Ralphis
It was before this. I think most of us can blame it on Raider fucking losing it around 1.05. Oh well, so much potential.
Ah, you're referring to the custom skins argument, right? I still think that the introduction of IRC into ZLauncher is the worst problem of ZDaemon.
Title: This is it.
Post by: Ralphis on December 24, 2005, 06:35:21 am
I'm referring to Raider going apeshit insane and not sticking by his guns like he had for a period of time. He lost his ability to at least appear as a leader and became nothing short of a rag doll
Title: This is it.
Post by: Darkman 4 on December 24, 2005, 07:40:02 am
I'm not surprised that the ZDaemon community is full of retards. During my brief visits there inbetween matches, I noticed that quite a few of the "suggestion topics" were turned into flamewars by some whiny bitch that didn't like what the OP suggested and bitched about it. Most of the mods (except you) were either stupid kiddies or elitist snobs that got their positions because they sucked Raider's dick a certain amount of times. Shitholes like that board are the reasons why I don't visit any Doom message boards outside of Doomworld.
Title: This is it.
Post by: random on December 24, 2005, 12:23:12 pm
From all written above, I can make a clear conclusion:
Whatever is bitch (A dirty whore by the name of "Whatever" arrived, and that bitch is the reason for the downfall of the ZD community), and ZDIrc sux, though the last I don't really get.

   About ZD staff: All ZD true OPs seem ok to me, though sometimes they have short fuss. However I still don't understand how could u not get along with them (only if you made something strictly forbidden, which, I'm sure, had the reason to be this way and not the other, or continuously kept insisting on something that seemed quite an absurd to the majority. Majority decides, not the individuals -- THAT'S the politics of Zdaemon. You don't like it -- leave it.

   About the engine: I'm not aware of the fact that just like the others, I would like to see Zdaemon engine updated. However there's no need to be a programmer to understand that the doom sc is kinda complicated and recompilation of it (or something alike) requires hella'much time. The question is what benefits will it bring? Direct3d/opengl support? MP3 support? WTF!? This is DOOM. If you like this stuff, then go play Half-Life or something. Of course it has some bugs and ingame issues, but those issues r not something critical. Currently Zdaemon is cool and stable than ever. But it doesn't mean that nobody's going to work on updating the engine. I'm sure as soon as ZD DEV Team has enough time for that, and,what's more important, if they decide it really nesseccary and sensible, we shall all enjoy/not enjoy the upgrade.

  Epilogue: This is it.
Title: This is it.
Post by: Russell on December 24, 2005, 10:34:11 pm
Unfortunately, we didn't leave, we got banned.

I have said this many times, credit was given when we were working with nightfang on the project, I even submitted stuff to him and he gave me cred in areas for it.

But this new douche of a leader has stripped all credit from various original developers of the project, I really hate people like this.

As for the engine, it blows, and I'd say there would still be gpl code in it, even though some say there isnt.
Title: This is it.
Post by: AlexMax on December 25, 2005, 01:38:54 am
Quote from: random
Majority decides, not the individuals -- THAT'S the politics of Zdaemon. You don't like it -- leave it.


THat is exactly the WRONG way how to run a project.  When you bow to the community, instead of what the designers origionally intended, you get things like modern day Everquest, modern Ultima Online, Urban Terror for Quake 3 Arena, and ZDCTFMP3.  They're for the majority, but since they've been taken in a million different directions they feel like a muddied mess to the people who take a good long look at it.  Comprimising the project just to get more people or to make naysayers quiet is the exact wrong way to do your project.
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Post by: Dr-Clim on December 25, 2005, 02:12:33 am
I completely agree with what you said deathz0r.

The integrated IRC client within zdlauncher has destroyed ZDaemon, along with a few moderators that completely abuse there powers as having op status.

I take it UDM4 isn't coming out anytime soon?
Title: This is it.
Post by: DOOMGUY666 on December 25, 2005, 08:42:36 pm
Damn, sorry to hear about that deathz0r. I already heard about it actually but I just now got around to reading it on UD.org. Perhaps UD should launch a free deathz0r campaign much similar to the Free Ralphis campaign ;)

Zdaemon is indeed changing, and all I try to keep up with is the gaming aspect. I love doom too much to actually quit zdaemon, so hopefully that day doesn't come for me. The days of Unidoom gaming on zdaemon a lot may be over for a while, but we have already proven ourselves and the great Unidoom Empire is a permanent organization.
Title: Re: .
Post by: deathz0r on December 26, 2005, 02:29:57 am
Quote from: Dr-Clim
I take it UDM4 isn't coming out anytime soon?
UDMX was scheduled for a Dec 31st release, but that seems highly unlikely now. I'll say start of March at the latest for the time being though.
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Perhaps UD should launch a free deathz0r campaign much similar to the Free Ralphis campaign ;)
I don't want to be "freed" from the ZDaemon ban list. I'm no longer interested in ZDaemon until the community finally gets back to an acceptable level of tolerance.
Title: This is it.
Post by: random on December 26, 2005, 05:55:17 am
Quote from: Anonymous
lol
-- That's the point :)

 Sometimes simple misunderstanding leads to a quarrel.
Title: This is it.
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2005, 01:19:15 pm
It's a real shame to see that zdaemon has become a victim of it's own succes
Title: This is it.
Post by: enVision on December 26, 2005, 02:38:11 pm
Things will never be the same, that is true. However I did not attain my position by sucking anyones dick, I dedicated a lot of my own time to help the project and did not ask for any privledges as they were given to help me do this.

There are so much lies and BS floating around I don't take sides anymore, but do what little I can to provide a good gaming experience. Idiots are present in all communities, they grow in proportion with each other and though the IRC client inside the launcher might seem like a step in the wrong direction it seems to me like it turned a light on and revealed them, not attracted more.

You guys obviously don't agree with with the way ZD is run and have done the right thing by starting a new port. Attacking a community by publically distributing tools though isn't the right thing to do, no matter how much they mighten like it. The people who have made/advertised them know who they are and really.. they need to find a better way to spend their time.

Good luck with the new project anyway.
Title: This is it.
Post by: Dr-Clim on December 26, 2005, 08:10:01 pm
Maybe a bring back GSN#03 campaign too ;)
Quote from: DOOMGUY666
Perhaps UD should launch a free deathz0r campaign much similar to the Free Ralphis campaign ;)
Title: This is it.
Post by: Scuba Steve on December 27, 2005, 07:22:07 am
Boo Hoo.  Just play Skulltag, it's better.
Title: This is it.
Post by: CodeImp on December 27, 2005, 07:47:28 pm
Honestly, I think the engine itsself is nice, nothing wrong with it. The staff however, is running the project in immoral and unethical manners. I won't go into details as I don't want to spend (waste?) time making a huge post right now, but I think many of you around here know exactly what I mean. The ZDaemon staff certainly knows, and if they don't, they should ask themselves where their 'enemies' come from then.

We all have issues with one or more staff members from their team. My issues (http://www.codeimp.com/zdaemon/zdaemonscene.html) were with several of the core staff members that run the project. But I don't think raider is the only cause of all the issues and not the only one to blame, but since he took over the project (which also included several unethical manners and problems) he is above all admins, moderators and developers and responsible for the problems they cause. One says it's due to raiders cyberlove for certain female ZDaemon user(s), another believes it is due to raiders manners; I honestly don't know what it is, maybe its a mixture of things, but I know I've seen much better times in the multiplayer scene at which I enjoyed being there, working there and playing there.
Title: This is it.
Post by: Meat_wad on December 28, 2005, 03:18:39 am
welll i havent been banned from zdaemon in like a month if you guys want ill take a good banning for you if i can wear the Ud tag again......
Title: This is it.
Post by: w@velength on December 28, 2005, 08:57:32 am
This program is still around?

I'm quite surprised, considering the management's arrogant, authoritarian "like what we do or get out" attitude. That's not how you quell an angry community.

You say you have a huge player-base. Well, here they are, and they sound angry.

Stumpfucks.
Title: This is it.
Post by: Infurnus on December 28, 2005, 03:26:46 pm
Raider is like George Bush, with his "If you don't like it, just LEAVE." attitude.
That is NOT the right attitude for ANYTHING. The point is for Raider to LISTEN to the community, and not give control to corrupt underlings, while not having to worry about anything.

EDIT: Also, I agree with deathz0r about 1.04 and 1.05.
Lightning DeathMatch was originally going to be for Nightfang's Zdaemon 1.05 Special Edition with OpenGL mode, but later on when I told people to get 1.05 Special Edition, they told me that they couldn't see ZD 1.05 SE on the zdaemon page for download anymore. I asked Raider about it and it sounded like he basically denied Zdaemon 1.05 SE had existed. (At least that's what I remember)
Lightning DeathMatch Gold Edition is now being continued for SkullTag.

EDIT: From a log:
* Topic: (http://www.doomworld.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17177 || no maphacks you communist american, jajajajajaja || Raider: zdaemongl link is dead on main page, did you delete the file?)
* Set by: (Russell) on (Thursday August 14 2003 03:01:54)

* Topic: (Raider: zdaemongl link is dead on main page, did you delete the file? || ZDaemonGL is a piece if shit and should never have been released in the first place.)
* Set by: (_Raider_) on (Friday August 15 2003 15:29:01)

[fixed formatting from time machine]
Title: This is it.
Post by: Kristus on December 28, 2005, 05:39:55 pm
Quote from: Scuba Steve
Boo Hoo.  Just play Skulltag, it's better.
Title: This is it.
Post by: DD_133 on December 28, 2005, 06:29:48 pm
Quote from: CodeImp
Honestly, I think the engine itsself is nice, nothing wrong with it. The staff however, is running the project in immoral and unethical manners.


I wholeheartedly agree with this. Although I myself had problems with the developers many times prior to 1.07, that version had tipped me over the top. I, unlike deathz0r, do not mind the integration of IRC into the zdaemon client, weither I use that or IDE, but what I found was the biggest fault is in two parts. One, they introduce half-baked code to supposedly imitate another game's code, which was again derived from a MODIFICATION to THAT game, resulting in a twice removed half finished netcoding. Developers ignored me until I decided to go on the offensive in the forums, but what did I get? Emo bullshit. Oh well, one always has other ports, but at this point in time, zdaemon's administration needs a new meaning. It holds none right now, except for the fact to just keep breaking the pure potential the source port has, or had, depending on how you look at it. Though I was not around for the 1.05 or 1.04 versions of Zdaemon, I trust that it, at least, was being driven in a better way. Perhaps this entire situation is an omen of things to come?

Cheers to deathz0r and the rest of Unidoom!
Title: This is it.
Post by: AceOfSpades on December 28, 2005, 10:35:26 pm
Quote from: Kristus
Quote from: Scuba Steve
Boo Hoo.  Just play Skulltag, it's better.


Skulltag's great if you're not interested in a game of Doom.
Title: This is it.
Post by: Scuba Steve on December 30, 2005, 01:03:29 am
Then set up a skulltag server to play exactly like Classic Doom... no mouselook or whatever crap you want.  Skulltag is really the only Client Server exe that matters.
Title: This is it.
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 03:12:35 am
Quote from: Infurnus
That is NOT the right attitude for ANYTHING. The point is for Raider to LISTEN to the community, and not give control to his underlings, while not having to worry about anything.


Wrong.  The correct way to run a project is to have a vision of what you're trying to accomplish, and accomplish it.  If the community disagrees, let them leave.  This doesnt mean ignore the community in terms of balance changes to the exisitng formula, but taking the project in every direction the community wishes.

Raider wants ZDaemon to be a community driven Doom game, family friendly entertainment and intertwined everything.  The problem is that he turned ZDaemon around from where it was going (who konws) to the current path.  Along the way, he pissed off pretty much everyone who was in the older community while catering to the crowd where he knew he could get new players from, people he found friendly and got along with.  He essentially swept the rug out from older players.

Asking him to change ZDaemon back to the way it was before he took over would be like asking us to make UDM4 like YOU guys wanted it.  Screw you guys, we will make UDM4 how WE want.

The only problem is that the older players now have nowehre to go.  They became disenfranchised with ZDaemon,  but Skulltags mentality is defeniatly more catered to skulltag-type maps and such.  So now they're in the exact same position they were a few years ago, with no good way to play a good ol' game of Doom in an environment that isn't hostile to them.
Title: This is it.
Post by: AlexMax on December 30, 2005, 03:13:27 am
That was me in the previous post, by the way.
Title: This is it.
Post by: Danarchy on December 30, 2005, 10:57:04 pm
Skulltag is just infinitely better than ZDaemon anyway.  Well, as long as you stay away from InstaGib servers.
Title: This is it.
Post by: Russell on January 01, 2006, 09:41:41 am
I play with my joystick, uh huh huh huh
Title: This is it.
Post by: AlexMax on January 04, 2006, 05:24:25 am
Quote from: CodeImp
The staff however, is running the project in immoral and unethical manners.


What do you call hijacking Skulltag Online to run a DDoS on ZDaemon master servers, then?  Two wrongs don't make a right, CodeImp.
Title: This is it.
Post by: julz_d on January 05, 2006, 09:04:37 pm
Deathz0r: I read in this article that you only unlocked "A" topic.  But I have also heard from other ppl that you unlocked "quite a few topics".  I'm not really a big supporter of locking topics, unless you get something like the time someone posted a closeup of a fat-ass spewing out diahreaha everywhere on my forums.  So whats really going on here...?

I would also like to note that it isn't impossible for even non-admins to make changes in the Zdaemon community.  I remember back when I first released jdit(jditxe) back in the day.  At that time about half the community and especially the administration was anti-newskool.  No one wanted anything to do with newskool.  Well, I fought and I fought for months, and went through all sorts of arguments, discussions, and problems such as bans.  I would regularly be involved in intense debates with various administrators.  But I have to hand it to you Deathz0r: If it wasn't for you, I may have never been unbanned in the first place.

I look around today, and believe it or not I see a big change in the community.  Newskool is booming compared to what it used to be, with tons of maps by various authors including CyberShark and Millian.  Hell, we even have newskool tourneys!  All I'm trying to say is that some times things may seem impossible, when it is merely an illision of our own imagination.  I wish you all the best, and hope to see your problems resolved in the near future.
Title: This is it.
Post by: deathz0r on January 05, 2006, 09:27:31 pm
Quote from: julz_d
Deathz0r: I read in this article that you only unlocked "A" topic.  But I have also heard from other ppl that you unlocked "quite a few topics".
I've unlocked two topics in my entire stint as a ZDaemon forum moderator, and the period between those two topics was well over three months. Anyone else who says otherwise is talking shit.
Title: This is it.
Post by: julz_d on January 06, 2006, 07:54:07 am
Ill take your word for it
Title: This is it.
Post by: CodeImp on January 09, 2006, 08:35:26 am
Quote from: AlexMax
Quote from: CodeImp
The staff however, is running the project in immoral and unethical manners.


What do you call hijacking Skulltag Online to run a DDoS on ZDaemon master servers, then?  Two wrongs don't make a right, CodeImp.


You can't say that, that is a reaction upon an action. If the action didn't happen, neither did the reation. If zdaemon didn't cause any trouble to us, I would never have caused trouble upon them. And neither would this discussion be here either.
Title: This is it.
Post by: GhostlyDeath (Inactive?) on January 10, 2006, 09:25:52 am
Quote from: Scuba Steve
Then set up a skulltag server to play exactly like Classic Doom... no mouselook or whatever crap you want.  Skulltag is really the only Client Server exe that matters.


There are bad apsects to the Skulltag Old School Settings, If you would want Skulltag to duplicate everything about EXE then you would have to have a waiting room (since you can come and go, you have to come and wait then go, then go later on) and no limits on stuff.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: =P on February 21, 2006, 04:57:47 am
One says it's due to raiders cyberlove for certain female ZDaemon user(s),

I heard something about this. Could anyone care to tell me more? =P
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: / on February 21, 2006, 11:19:08 am
Funny shit..  I've noticed the good ol players are playing less and less as time passes...
And the perfect example of the mod/op problem can be described in one perfect example: Af-Domains...
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: deathz0r on February 21, 2006, 07:12:04 pm
I heard something about this. Could anyone care to tell me more? =P
Whatever is white trash, that's all I have to say. I mean, don't you think something's up when you ban someone from #zdplayers for justified reasons, and they get unbanned twenty minutes later?

Yeah, great community.

Quote from:  Scave
I find it funny that he's probably the only person with this privilege who is also permanently banned.
I don't think Raider made an effort to mention that I was banned in the first place. My stickies from the ZDaemon forums are still there, stickied. Nobody has bothered making replacements for any of them. I think they want to keep them there to make people presume that I'm not banned.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Guest on February 22, 2006, 12:29:04 am
I'll make this post as concise as possible; I've been pissed off towards the ZDaemon community ever since my forum moderator status was removed because I had unlocked a topic. That's right, I unlocked a topic and I lost my super moderator status entirely.
Being stripped of power just for one unlocked topic? Never heard of such bullshit. What was this topic that they wanted to keep locked away?
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: deathz0r on February 22, 2006, 05:43:27 am
A thread about using other CTF wads (apart from ZDCTFMP) for tournaments. Whatever got flamed for saying that other CTF wads suck, she requested it to be locked, I unlocked it because I believed that only the person who started the thread should be able to request it to be locked. BAM! There goes my moderator status.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: / on February 22, 2006, 03:10:03 pm
A thread about using other CTF wads (apart from ZDCTFMP) for tournaments. Whatever got flamed for saying that other CTF wads suck, she requested it to be locked, I unlocked it because I believed that only the person who started the thread should be able to request it to be locked. BAM! There goes my moderator status.

omg! I thought that itl happened for a better reason [ less retarded ].. I remember that thread hehe...
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: nitus on February 22, 2006, 10:29:57 pm
Ah, so that's what happened. It's good to know that some things, at least, stay constant. :)

 
I avoided ZDaemon entirely for months, thanks to AF-Domains - I went into the ZIRC channel to announce that I was going to enlist, because I felt it was important for me to support Canada's military. AF-Domains comes in out of nowhere and threatens to ban me for "political discussion" - so I told him to fuck off. Then Raider shows up, all "what's the problem, nitus" - and I said "you know what, there is no problem [quitting]".
 
Before ZDaemon had a built-in IRC client, people used to actually talk about things in #zdaemon - there was some sense of community beyond illiterate one-liners. It seems like having everybody logged in, and outright banning any attempt at disscussion, has pretty much stripped it of that sense of fellowship - now it's just a bunch of lameass garbage.
 
It seems like, in the last year and a half, Raider has managed to alienate any number of the people who have been influencial in building the doom community at large - either directly, by himself, or by simply avoiding responsible confrontations and letting opportunistic underlings go nuts.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Manc on February 23, 2006, 12:43:50 am
Well said.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Bill C on February 28, 2006, 05:01:09 am
Zdaemon sucks dick now. Came on one day, saw how SHITTY the client was, heard you guys were banned, and left.

O btw this post reminds me of a funny story. I guess that bitch whatever had just won the tourny for moo2d or something so i guess she was pretty good in the map. Well the next day my brother saw her in that room waiting for a game and he goes in there and KICKS HER ASS. (and it honestly wasnt me playing, i only do d5m1) She got me and my brother IP banned shortly after, but i was laughing my ass off too much to care. Good times :)))

Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Manc on February 28, 2006, 04:34:56 pm
Well the next day my brother saw her in that room waiting for a game and he goes in there and KICKS HER ASS. (and it honestly wasnt me playing, i only do d5m1) She got me and my brother IP banned shortly after, but i was laughing my ass off too much to care.
There is either a BIG piece of this story missing, or the administration has truly gone off the deep end.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Ant P on February 28, 2006, 05:54:48 pm
Last thing I ever had to do with ZDaemon was asking about an engine bug and getting a response along the lines of "Go fuck yourself" from the devs.

That was almost a year ago. These days I play ut2k4.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Bill C on February 28, 2006, 08:06:40 pm
Well she did start to bitch because she thought it was me on his name, so my brother called her a uh bitch... it wasnt worth the ban, ill say that.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: nitus on March 01, 2006, 11:39:49 pm
Well, despite the fact that many people have had issues with the ZDaemon admins, I can't help but think that many of them deserved it. A lot of people aren't complaining about having power wielded over them, but that it's not them doing the wielding.
 
You know, Ralphis is a good example. I loved the rap, but a year earlier Ralphis was an admin there himself - and if you think he didn't ban people arbitrarily, you're on glue. ;)
 
I try to avoid getting to involved in the behind-the-scenes crap, simply because I enjoy ZDaemon. Skulltag always seemed wrong to me, somehow. Besides, ZDaemon is where all the players are - and that's what I care about.

Things like this recent script attack are simply infantile, and I really could care less what people think their motives are. If you have a problem with ZDaemon's admins, take it up with them - don't punish the players.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Russell on March 02, 2006, 06:12:24 am
You're right, however, is it really worth taking it up with the admins?

I tried to, but apparently my account on the forums is "inactive", my ip is also filtered from raiders retarded box
so trying to contact him or his followers is worthless

Afaik, zdaemon has pretty much hit rock bottom, kudos to raider and his posse making zdaemon so "secure" that you
couldn't pull a needle out of its ass with a tractor.

I wish zdaemon never turned out this way, I wish nightfang and knorton and everyone else didn't quit, but I guess it
is a sign of the times.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Manc on March 02, 2006, 07:57:01 pm
There are more signs to come.


O
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: nitus on March 02, 2006, 09:10:35 pm
[wtf]
 
The issues with Raider and his cadre are one thing - an as far as that goes, I totally see your point.
 
But the bulk of the players who log into ZDaemon each day don't know about these issues, and they don't care. These are the players who don't use the forums, or the chat. They're not involved, and they don't want to be. All they want to do is play the game.
 
This recent attack by codeimp - assuming it was him; I haven't seen any proof of that - primarily affected these uninvolved players. Innocent players, many of whom had no idea who codeimp was until now. What he's accomplished is to alienate a bunch of people who weren't at all involved and who were previously either neutral or who were even leaning in his direction.
 
Maybe it's not good for ZDaemon to be so closed-up, but these kinds of attacks are certainly not going to reverse that trend - quite the opposite.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Russell on March 03, 2006, 06:31:27 am
Problem is, noone knows who the original developers/people who helped zdaemon get off the ground are, which really fucking annoys me.

I see raider has left NightFang aka ShadowFang aka Sean White as the original developer, but removed everyone else (knorton, followthislogic, Slayer)

I hate that shit and I hope zdaemon dies, removing shit like that deserves hatred in this instance.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Ralphis on March 04, 2006, 04:21:35 am
You can liken it to modern day politicians removing the founding fathers from american historical text. It's simply absurd.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Shakal on March 07, 2006, 12:51:37 am
Its real shame Bill that you dont go on zdaemon anymore for such a trivial thing as that. On the plus side whatever doesnt go on zdaemon that much anymore.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Manc on March 08, 2006, 10:05:59 pm
Its real shame Bill that you dont go on zdaemon anymore for such a trivial thing as that. On the plus side whatever doesnt go on zdaemon that much anymore.
Is there any particular reason for that?
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Shakal on March 09, 2006, 05:14:24 pm
Ever since morons like sonya and gluttony showed up in zdaemon I have stayed away from irc so I wouldnt know.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: deathz0r on March 09, 2006, 09:02:54 pm
I read that Codeimp Server Fix thread and to be quite frank, I find it ironic that I got permbanned by Kilgore for being friends with Codeimp and being in the same private channel as him. Like Manc said in that thread, it seems like the ZDaemon staff are notorious for filling in gaps without making any kind of research or evidence to prove fault.

I got this PM while I was sleeping a few days before I was banned:

Dec 21 04:22:58 <Kilgore> i just want you to know something
Dec 21 04:22:59 <Kilgore> up till some time ago, i had some respect for you
Dec 21 04:23:01 <Kilgore> unfortunately, this has dissipated with your involvement with aza
Dec 21 04:23:12 <Kilgore> so don't even bother approaching me or anyone who is friendly to me about anything
Dec 21 04:23:22 <Kilgore> i don't care about your beef with raider
Dec 21 04:23:36 <Kilgore> this shit is hitting zdaemon and it's hitting me personally
Dec 21 04:23:41 <Kilgore> and that's as personal as it gets

Tis a shame I never had a beef with Raider and that I had no involvement with #aza other than being idle in there, it was just presumed by the almighty dev.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Russell on March 09, 2006, 09:10:43 pm
When people assume, they make an ass out of u and me
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Manc on March 09, 2006, 09:17:11 pm
Like Manc said in that thread, it seems like the ZDaemon staff are notorious for filling in gaps without making any kind of research or evidence to prove fault.
I wasn't referring to zdaemon staff, but rather the zdaemon community members in general, if I'm thinking of the same thing you are.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Ant P on March 09, 2006, 09:28:24 pm
I just read the ZD forums for half an hour (because I'm bored out of my mind).

There I realised that no source code isn't the problem at all. The problem is that ZDaemon is basically Doom AOL.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: deathz0r on March 09, 2006, 09:36:26 pm
I wasn't referring to zdaemon staff, but rather the zdaemon community members in general, if I'm thinking of the same thing you are.
Yeah, you are right actually. But I still talk to a majority of ZDaemon users that I talked with pre-ban.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: anony on March 09, 2006, 10:56:35 pm
Quote
deathz0rThe purpose of the channel was a mere joke between myself, Aurelian, Shockwav3 and CodeImp where we'd screw around and make stupid things that nobody would probably see. A few people would join and they'd have a good laugh as well.

And a few pages later. . .
 
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deathz0r:I had no involvement with #aza other than being idle in there, it was just presumed by the almighty dev.


So . . . which one is it, deathz0r? It doesn't take an english degree to see that those two quotes are mutually contradictory. What's the point of glossing over the truth in this thread? Those who like you will continue to like you, regardless, just as those who don't will continue not to. ;0
 
I think we can all agree that kilgore has tendancy to "shoot first" and greviously overreact - hence the anonymous post - but at least he's not given to spweing outright bullshit.
 
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: deathz0r on March 10, 2006, 01:07:29 am
It's not contradictory, just an omission of a few words and/or sentences in the second quote.

That one is referring to the time period when Codeimp had figured out how to cheat the experience points system the first time, the global ban exploit and got the LG site changed to his verbal attack on ZDaemon (and his reference to #aza). Kilgore believed I was involved with the exploits, yet the only thing he could really accuse me of was being inside the channel.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: izm on March 14, 2006, 06:59:19 pm
Hello all!

I've just started to come back into mapping/doom etc and was wondering what is going on! Zdaemon seemed very quiet, and if it sucks like this post suggests, where can I map? :''''( (etc).

Thanks.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: DarkRevenge on March 14, 2006, 11:15:28 pm
www.skulltag.com

10x better than ZD.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Ant P on March 14, 2006, 11:42:34 pm
And here's a few doom/non-doom FPSes that don't force the developer's choice of OS onto the users:

http://doomsdayhq.com
http://prboom.sourceforge.net
http://nexuiz.com
http://sauerbraten.org

I've never been able to find a working map editor for Nexuiz though.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: DarkRevenge on March 14, 2006, 11:48:55 pm
http://sauerbraten.org
The old version of Sauerbraten has more players online and a bigger community.
www.cubeengine.com

They are nearly the same, Sauerbraten just has some subtle differences.
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: Ant P on March 14, 2006, 11:55:34 pm
Sauerbraten is proper 3D whereas Cube is 2.5D, with most of the limits Doom's 2.5D has.

Also, Cube has security exploits. (http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125289#c0)
Title: Re: This is it.
Post by: DarkRevenge on March 15, 2006, 12:24:19 am
oh yeah, heh forgot about that. some fag replaced all his maps with a huge flag one. He then just grabbed a rifle and started sniping us down. I havent seen him in a while tho.