Author Topic: This is it.  (Read 40214 times)

deathz0r

This is it.
« on: December 23, 2005, 10:58:54 pm »
I once had a highly optimistic view regarding ZDaemon: It was a community that (almost entirely) respected each other without problems. I got along with people from every aspect of the community, whether they were Newschool, Oldschool, DM mappers, CTF mappers etc. A dirty whore by the name of "Whatever" arrived, and that bitch is the reason for the downfall of the ZD community.

Alternatively, I can blame the 1.07 release with the in-built IRC feature in ZLauncher. That single feature contributed heavily towards the fuckup that the ZDaemon community has turned in to.

And on that note, I'm leaving that shithole until I see it back to the state that it once was... back in the glory days of 1.04 and 1.05, or even the anarchist state that was known as 0.99. Hell, that was tolerable compared to the shithouse that was the 1.07 era.

I'll make this post as concise as possible; I've been pissed off towards the ZDaemon community ever since my forum moderator status was removed because I had unlocked a topic. That's right, I unlocked a topic and I lost my super moderator status entirely. While I was sleeping last night, I was permbanned entirely from ZDaemon by Kilgore for being AFK in #aza, and that ban includes the master server, the forums, and ZDIRC. For those that don't know what #aza is, it's an anti-ZDaemon channel spearheaded by CodeImp, whose aimbot fix caused him to get fucked over by almost all of the ZDaemon staff (excluding myself) because he had sent it out to two people to test, one of which decided to spread it around to his fellow retards. The purpose of the channel was a mere joke between myself, Aurelian, Shockwav3 and CodeImp where we'd screw around and make stupid things that nobody would probably see. A few people would join and they'd have a good laugh as well. It suddenly grew in size after the notorious master ban exploit, at which a site was created stating CodeImp's hatred towards ZDaemon and linking to #aza; Now I'm posting mine.

I'd like to give a big fuck you to the following people: Whatever, Samiam, Exl, Bonzo, and every single moron that supported those four assholes. I have to admit that I was blindly fooled by Samiam and Exl at first, but I realised a week ago how much of a bitch Samiam is and how much of a backstabber Exl is. They're made for each other in more ways than one.

I ask the rest of you to do what's right: If you don't like ZDaemon, leave it already. Don't make up crappy excuses, just fucking boycott it. They're pathetic at looking at matters extrinsically. They don't even want  to listen to your pleads of innocence unless you give them what they want, which is something I refuse to give.

Things are destined to die eventually, so don't delay ZDaemon's death.

EDIT: I decided that this isn't informative enough. If you can't figure out where to go after boycotting ZDaemon, I'll give you some nice places to go.

I recommend that you check out Skulltag. It's the first online port I got involved with (way back in January 2001), and it was a bad mistake to try to remain neutral in the "holy crusade war" between Skulltag and ZDaemon. Of course, I also recommend a bit of CSDoom, especially if you can find 0.62. That version still has the best netcode that I've ever seen, period. Also, you could also wait for a while and expect something else to pop up that I've been following...

Also, to show how much of a wuss Raider is, I'll post this lovely quote from a PM:

<Raider> I was perfectly willing and interested in patching things up with you.
<deathz0r> was?
<deathz0r> you're not willing anymore?
<Raider> I can't, and won't reverse what the other top admins here do.
<deathz0r> pfft
<Raider> well it's too late now.
<deathz0r> you're project leader
<deathz0r> you have absolute power
<Raider> that doesn't mean anything and you know it.
<Raider> nah. that's not true.
<deathz0r> that doesn't mean anything because you don't want it to mean anything

And his response to this unedited post:

<Raider> are you kidding me? you're blaming whatever for this?
<deathz0r> she's the spark
<Raider> how the hell do you figure that?
<Raider> ya know what. don't even tell me
<Raider> I'm not even going to waste my time with an idiot like you.

Congratulations on having the ability to confront matters.

AceOfSpades

This is it.
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2005, 11:18:43 pm »
emo 8)

Manc

This is it.
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2005, 11:30:31 pm »
Big things are coming soon...
Network Administrator, and I smash robuts!

AlexMax

This is it.
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2005, 11:45:41 pm »
Quote from: AceOfSpades
emo 8)


Quit taking words out of my mouth faggot.

Quote from: Manc
Big things are coming soon...


Indeed.

EDIT: OK, I think I need to be a little bit more descriptive.  This is a copy of something I posted on the ZDaemon forums.

"In short, the ZDaemon's philosophy is thus: If you don't like it, don't use it. ... People, if you are unhappy with the state of the ZDaemon community, software, or leadership, then just leave. The ZDaemon community is strong...it may not be the ZDaemon community you knew a few years ago, but trying to 'save' the community from themselves is a futile endeavor. You have options. Please, save yourself and the current administration the stress and find another community."

Seriously.  It really sucks that shit happened to deathz0r and Ralphis, and _Lyfe_ and myself are not on very good speaking terms as it is, but Raider and I are still on speaking terms as is myself and Kilgore.  There are so many different ways of looking at the situation, and everyone has a different story, that I'm just not going to try and get in the middle of it.

1. Nobody is forcing you to use ZDaemon.  You have options.
2. ZDaemon is not going to die anytime soon.  It has a very strong userbase.  It might comprise of a lot of people who are less than you find desireable, but the community is there, and it's very tightly knit, and is unlikely to simply die.
3. Unidoom is not going to die anytime soon.  See #2.  If there is some sort of "anti-UD" setiment, it's not doing that much good.  We're still in active contact with each other, and we still play games together regularly.  Doom, Day of Defeat, The Specialists, Worms Armageddon, XCOM: UFO Defense, Freeciv, we love playing games with each other.

My opinion on ZDaemon?

Yes, ZDaemon still feels like a hack of Zdoom 1.23 with a superb launcher, some ingame bugs and a patchy ingame interface, but I admit that I was impressed with 1.08, it just seemed a lot smoother to me and the unlagged actually worked for me.  There aren't a lot of people whom I feel like playing it with, though, which is why I rarely, if ever, play it.

RottKing

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This is it.
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2005, 11:48:21 pm »
Storm's a brewin'.
I'M DUKE NUKEM.

deathz0r

This is it.
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2005, 11:49:21 pm »
Quote from: AceOfSpades
emo 8)
Don't knock e-drama damnit!

Bloodshedder

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This is it.
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2005, 11:58:48 pm »
Yay for drama!

chr1z

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This is it.
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2005, 04:37:02 am »
Join the club. I've been banned for a while now. You can easily get around it though (the master server that is)

Ralphis

Re: This is it.
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2005, 06:17:39 am »
Quote from: deathz0r
I once had a highly optimistic view regarding ZDaemon: It was a community that (almost entirely) respected each other without problems. I got along with people from every aspect of the community, whether they were Newschool, Oldschool, DM mappers, CTF mappers etc. A dirty whore by the name of "Whatever" arrived, and that bitch is the reason for the downfall of the ZD community.


Damn, it's a good thing noone else noticed this years ago. Oh wait.

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Alternatively, I can blame the 1.07 release with the in-built IRC feature in ZLauncher. That single feature contributed heavily towards the fuckup that the ZDaemon community has turned in to.


It was before this. I think most of us can blame it on Raider fucking losing it around 1.05. Oh well, so much potential.

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And on that note, I'm leaving that shithole until I see it back to the state that it once was... back in the glory days of 1.04 and 1.05, or even the anarchist state that was known as 0.99. Hell, that was tolerable compared to the shithouse that was the 1.07 era.


Not likely. We'll have to look to something NEW eh?

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I'll make this post as concise as possible; I've been pissed off towards the ZDaemon community ever since my forum moderator status was removed because I had unlocked a topic. That's right, I unlocked a topic and I lost my super moderator status entirely. While I was sleeping last night, I was permbanned entirely from ZDaemon by Kilgore for being AFK in #aza while I was asleep, and that ban includes the master server, the forums, and ZDIRC.


ARE YOU RIDICULOUS? DON'T EVER MENTION RAIDER OR HIS FRIENDS IN A JESTFUL WAY. Oh well, you know that we hate ya, so we'll see ya lata.

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I'd like to give a big fuck you to the following people: Whatever, Samiam, Exl, Bonzo, and every single moron that supported those four assholes. I have to admit that I was blindly fooled by Samiam and Exl at first, but I realised a week ago how much of a bitch Samiam is and how much of a backstabber Exl is. They're made for each other in more ways than one.


Such a list. Mine is much shorter.

Raider - Good job fucking up something that everyone but yourself had a hand in building. You do a great job ordering pieces of history be removed from the project and program itself just so you can basically brand your name all over it.

I see exactly what you've done and you're nothing but a coward who has lied and decieved his community. People might've considered me a "tyrant" when I was in power there, but the community was clean and at least I was honest about whom I did or didn't like and I was open about punishing them. You most likely will not read this, but it had to be stated just for the record. You ruined a community that was not yours to ruin. Good job!

Whatever - See: Ralphis - Whatever.mp3

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I ask the rest of you to do what's right: If you don't like ZDaemon, leave it already. Don't make up crappy excuses, just fucking boycott it. They're pathetic at looking at matters extrinsically. They don't even want to listen to your pleads of innocence unless you give them what they want, which is something I refuse to give.


Oh damn, you're too late deathz0r. If people haven't taken notice, people HAVE been leaving ZDaemon and have been fed up with it. One day the tide will change and a new community will rise that embodies the spirit of all of the past successful doom multiplayer communities.

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Things are destined to die eventually, so don't delay ZDaemon's death.


It will happen, but let's just enjoy watching it.

As far as Skulltag, while I don't agree with or even like Carnevil on a personal level he holds one thing above Raider within me for what it's worth. Respect. He doesn't pussy foot around or bullshit, if he's going to be an asshole he'll do it to your face and make his intentions clear whether or not you like it. I can't say the same for Raider.

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2. ZDaemon is not going to die anytime soon.  It has a very strong userbase.  It might comprise of a lot of people who are less than you find desireable, but the community is there, and it's very tightly knit, and is unlikely to simply die.
3. Unidoom is not going to die anytime soon.  See #2.  If there is some sort of "anti-UD" setiment, it's not doing that much good.  We're still in active contact with each other, and we still play games together regularly.  Doom, Day of Defeat, The Specialists, Worms Armageddon, XCOM: UFO Defense, Freeciv, we love playing games with each other.


Zdaemon's lifespan has varied but Unidoom will always remain a constant.

UD ON TOP

RALPHIS OUT MOTHA FUCKAS

deathz0r

Re: This is it.
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2005, 06:28:22 am »
Quote from: Ralphis
It was before this. I think most of us can blame it on Raider fucking losing it around 1.05. Oh well, so much potential.
Ah, you're referring to the custom skins argument, right? I still think that the introduction of IRC into ZLauncher is the worst problem of ZDaemon.

Ralphis

This is it.
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2005, 06:35:21 am »
I'm referring to Raider going apeshit insane and not sticking by his guns like he had for a period of time. He lost his ability to at least appear as a leader and became nothing short of a rag doll

Darkman 4

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This is it.
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2005, 07:40:02 am »
I'm not surprised that the ZDaemon community is full of retards. During my brief visits there inbetween matches, I noticed that quite a few of the "suggestion topics" were turned into flamewars by some whiny bitch that didn't like what the OP suggested and bitched about it. Most of the mods (except you) were either stupid kiddies or elitist snobs that got their positions because they sucked Raider's dick a certain amount of times. Shitholes like that board are the reasons why I don't visit any Doom message boards outside of Doomworld.

random

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2005, 12:23:12 pm »
From all written above, I can make a clear conclusion:
Whatever is bitch (A dirty whore by the name of "Whatever" arrived, and that bitch is the reason for the downfall of the ZD community), and ZDIrc sux, though the last I don't really get.

   About ZD staff: All ZD true OPs seem ok to me, though sometimes they have short fuss. However I still don't understand how could u not get along with them (only if you made something strictly forbidden, which, I'm sure, had the reason to be this way and not the other, or continuously kept insisting on something that seemed quite an absurd to the majority. Majority decides, not the individuals -- THAT'S the politics of Zdaemon. You don't like it -- leave it.

   About the engine: I'm not aware of the fact that just like the others, I would like to see Zdaemon engine updated. However there's no need to be a programmer to understand that the doom sc is kinda complicated and recompilation of it (or something alike) requires hella'much time. The question is what benefits will it bring? Direct3d/opengl support? MP3 support? WTF!? This is DOOM. If you like this stuff, then go play Half-Life or something. Of course it has some bugs and ingame issues, but those issues r not something critical. Currently Zdaemon is cool and stable than ever. But it doesn't mean that nobody's going to work on updating the engine. I'm sure as soon as ZD DEV Team has enough time for that, and,what's more important, if they decide it really nesseccary and sensible, we shall all enjoy/not enjoy the upgrade.

  Epilogue: This is it.

Russell

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This is it.
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2005, 10:34:11 pm »
Unfortunately, we didn't leave, we got banned.

I have said this many times, credit was given when we were working with nightfang on the project, I even submitted stuff to him and he gave me cred in areas for it.

But this new douche of a leader has stripped all credit from various original developers of the project, I really hate people like this.

As for the engine, it blows, and I'd say there would still be gpl code in it, even though some say there isnt.

AlexMax

This is it.
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2005, 01:38:54 am »
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Majority decides, not the individuals -- THAT'S the politics of Zdaemon. You don't like it -- leave it.


THat is exactly the WRONG way how to run a project.  When you bow to the community, instead of what the designers origionally intended, you get things like modern day Everquest, modern Ultima Online, Urban Terror for Quake 3 Arena, and ZDCTFMP3.  They're for the majority, but since they've been taken in a million different directions they feel like a muddied mess to the people who take a good long look at it.  Comprimising the project just to get more people or to make naysayers quiet is the exact wrong way to do your project.